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Ya Gotta Love College

September 15th, 200610 Comments

One of the ideas behind college startup is that as college students, we could probably use our time more wisely than spending 4 years learning a bunch of impractical facts that we forget the minute we either finish our last exam or our last beer.

We’re not saying you shouldn’t go to college. Just that if you do, you should consider using the time effectively, pursue your interests with a passion, and maybe even start your own business.

College isn’t all bad. You do learn some important things, especially about yourself. So as an experiment in “getting to know thyself” it sorta works. But when you think about all the beuracratic time wasted, and all that you could have achieved… well, it starts to sink in. The 4 year college system isn’t a well oiled machine. The code just hasn’t been optimized… well, besides as a business to suck your wallet dry.

It would be one thing if this slow moving machine either 1) guaranteed a product at the end (instead of producing lots of “I Is a College Student Grads”) or 2) didn’t cost very much. But not only do you risk going to college and leaving more wasted than you entered, you can also expect to leave with a huge I.O.U to the University.

The moral of the story here is that the University system is an artifact of the past, but it’s an artifact that’s deeply entrentched. The 4 year system was designed for a generic liberal arts education. It doesn’t fit our current need for highly-specialized and focused educations. Things would be very different if a computer science education amounted to 2 concentrated years of practical, hands on, programming education. But at most schools, a computer science education still involves a majority of your time learning about peripheral topics like early American literature, Philosophy of Religion, and Oral Communication.

So the key to being a college student in today’s world is to take advantaged of the kinks in the machine. Four years is a lot of time. Fill in the wasted time with opportunity. Find something you love you to do, do it, and keep doing it. Eventually you’ll want to share your passion with the world put together an expert website. And who knows, maybe it will become your very own College Startup.

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Ya Gotta Love College

steve | September 15, 2006

I assume you’re making these assumptions for degrees in the arts and humanities, because it doesn’t apply for a lot else. I’m currently a junior at Ohio State studying Microbiology with my eye on Dental school. It would not be possible for me to learn what I’m learning, and go on to professional school without a college education in microbiology. I can’t start my own business running a lab with absolutely no experience or the mass of knowledge I’ve accumulated in biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, and microbiology.

I can see your point for the cookie-cutter philosophy degrees and IT degrees, but when it comes to degrees in the sciences, pre-med, pre-dent, pre-law, and engineering, to name a few, what you say simply doesn’t work.

Redefining your college base to those in graphic design or web management would make more sense, but college is hardly a waste of 4 years.

steve | September 15, 2006

As a short follow up to my last comment, I will admit that the GEC requirements are bogus, and I agree with you on that front. I’m taking high level microbiology and molecular genetics courses, why do I have to learn about the history of germany in the 1400s, or the views of early sociologists?? I’m currently studying abroad in Australia and there system seems to have more what you’re looking for. There are no, or very little, GEC requirements. When you enter your major you take courses that are very hands on and relevant. You don’t need two semesters of English and a history component if you’re going into architecture, etc etc. Maybe colleges should ween away from all the extra GEC requirements that slow down the process.

Ryan | September 16, 2006

Steve,
I totally agree with everything you say here. The sciences are the best example of “the right way” to do things. Still, most schools require way too much filler (what you refer to as GEC).

My main point was that you could get the very same practical education in 2 years. But it is the vested interest of the *college as business* to keep you there for 4. So I don’t see things changing anytime soon.

As far as your points about not being able to set up your own lab, etc., etc. and needing the college education. I’d argue that if your main point is to go to dental school, then even in the science curriculum, there is probably a “better way.” Just not in the current system, as you point out.

Take my degree, computer science. Along the way I’ve taken 1) accounting, 2) oral communication 3) music appreciation and 4) contemporary literature and 5) Religion in Korea. I actually enjoyed most of those classes. But I also paid a lot for them, and wouldn’t have selected them if they hadn’t met some general requirement.

But that’s not all. Learning computer science also turned out to be less useful than it could have been. We learned far more theory than practical application. Less coding, more memorizing. For those of us who just wanted to be good, well rounded programmers, the opportunity just wasn’t there unless we took our own initiative.

Ryan | September 16, 2006

Steve,
I think there needs to be more project work and less “fact based memorization” work…more “here’s a problem, go and solve it” kind of work. Education needs to be more “apprenticeship” based.

steve | September 19, 2006

I recently met a English (as in Britain) student at a concert here in Australia. I asked why he was down under and he proceeded to tell me he was studying law, and the Australian education system does one year less than in Britain. And since it’s still in the commenwealth the degree and fees are the same. That guy had a good head on his shoulders.

Along the same vein I’ve been talking to my classmates in my Microbiology classes down here and their degree takes a year less than mine! Lucky buggers, haha. I asked them about GECs and they looked at me like I had two heads. I think Australia has it down a bit more than we do, and technical schools are also a much bigger part of the tertiary education system here. Seems to work down here, but like you said, can’t see it changing anytime soon back home.

Ben | September 26, 2006

When I started College Startup the goal was never to call college a waste of time.

Very few classes in college are full of useless facts that you’re forced to memorize. In my experience if you try to find classes that interest you you will not feel like it’s a waste of time.

Ryan | September 26, 2006

But Ben, that’s not the point of this post. The point of this post is that College is inefficient.
In other words, 4 years is just too much.

Why do you think I’ve said that college is a waste of time?

Ryan | September 26, 2006

Ben thinks that this post amounts to saying that college is a waste of time. Actually, what I ended up saying is very close to the point Ben makes: it’s up to you what you get out of a 4 year education.

I do disagree with Ben about 1 thing though: in my experience, college has been about learning facts rather than practice. In fact, my friend who works in the Princeton Genomics lab agrees and thinks that science education needs an overhall because it is fact-centric rather than integrative. An integrative education doesn’t just tell you the facts, but it helps you learn the facts the right way, by discovering them for yourself through experimentation, etc.

Ben | September 29, 2006

I agree that education needs an overhaul. I wrote a post about it at one point, it’s in the archives somewhere.

I just didn’t like the vibe of this post.

The other posts you guys have been writing are well done, though :)

Nick | October 4, 2006

I think part of the problem lies in the environment that you end up in. If you have to take a ton of gen ed credits just to get your degree, sometimes the onus is on you to switch schools or find one that doesn’t make you do something like that.

If you want a hands on learning experience, find a school that has one, apply, get in, and do what you need to do. In my classes a mechanical engineer, and now a computer science student, there have been a lot of facts, but almost every single class has had some team or project based work too.

Also, in reply to your comment about your CS education and learning a lot of theory, that’s what computer science is. Sure, you learn software development, but if you just want to do that, you should have gone for a software engineering degree, not computer science. Scientists in the natural sciences (physics, biology, and chemistry) spend their lives researching and proposing theories. Why do you think computer scientists would be any different?

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Ya Gotta Love College was written by Ryan on September 15th, 2006 at 9:27 am and posted in Business Ideas, College, Creativity

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